Linux can beat Windows easily: Let’s Get Serious (episode 1)

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We finally have a name for our show. Drum roll. “Let’s Get Serious”. Jack explained what’s the show all about and then we dived deep into the state of Linux in 2018 and how it can come to dominate the market. Here is the bottom line: if the desktop Linux community listen to what we say, they can dominate the market.

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  1. Hello Jack! There are other apps than Openshot: Kdenlive, DaVinci Resolve, Lightworks and Natron. You might have to use a combination of those to get the effects you wish/need.
    The same for Photoshop: a combination of Gimp, Inkscape, Krita, Darktable, Rawtherapee or Fotoxx will give you the desired effects.
    This means much more time but you can achieve for free what Adobe allows you to do.
    Best regards,
    Serge

  2. As a Vegan just wanna let you know you can east oysters, they do not have central nervous system. And super nutritious too. Its a shame average vegans are not aware of this. Or the world for that matter, as it could help many to transition. Oysters are also better to grow for environment as well.

  3. About LibreOffice:
    Starting with LibreOffice, it has at any given time two branches, the still and the fresh. They recommend to normal users and users/organizations that use it in production environments the 'still' branch, due to the nature of more patches released because more eyeballs using the software for more time.

  4. What we observe happen with Linux (and anywhere if some sort of freedom exists, YouTube channels, windows applications, mobile applications, games, etc), we can observe in nature, we have so many species of similar animals and plants, as they evolved and diversified trough time to adapt to their surroundings, I'd say it's hard-coded on all living creatures, and many species appeared and ceased to exist. It's perfectly justified for all this diversity to exist.
    When we come to manage the current reality of having multiple software and hardware options that can be mixed and matched, it's certainly a more complex task to be accomplished (who's gonna be nature, selecting? Us, the complex mammals, so expect a wild ride ahead), but by observing the history of human societies and systems and biologic diversity, it's clear to see that some abrupt events happen, extirpating the systems, societies and species that weren't well matched for adaptation to the reality that these mass extinctions, cultural, social and environmental showed. Applying that to the FLOSS world, various projects have come and have gone, and various others simply changed themselves to adapt to their needs.
    The video is well done, congrats. Someone needs to step up, and create software solutions that are adaptable and complete, robust and easy enough for users to use and maintain their software and systems, updates and downgrades and so on, (a la a FLOSS Apple) or like what Canonical did and does, but in the next step, better GUIs, or APIs for GUIs to accomplish what was mentioned. And more, it needs to be good enough so that people can Choose Linux on Their Own, with the users being the marketing people, not the techies, well, at least the proportions shall change, trickling downstream to the average desktop user.

  5. I don't want to start a war, but as a sysadmin, I see alot of friends and family that don't understand computers at all but can't live without them. I completely understanding that being a computer technician has serious parallels to a car mechanic, but even with my car, when I talk with my mechanic it's to gain understanding and learn proper practices to take care of my car. (personally I hate driving all together) However when users talk to me about computers, its from a standpoint of "I want to do x, and you need to make it dance for me." While I know lots of people do this to their car mechanics as well, looking at computing in general, regardless of linux, mac, windows, or mobile, I question what the value is in continuing to lower the bar of computing in any sense until the average user starts taking a more active roll in using it. I'd love to hear both of your thoughts on this idea, as I find it quite frustrating to continually hear "make it dance" just to see their eyes glaze over the second they need to learn something.

  6. There's so many Office options on Linux I cringe anytime anybody tries to blame LibreOffice for something.. Onlyoffice, SoftMaker Office, Zoho Docs, WPS Office, Google Docs, Open365, MS Office 365 (Free Cloud version).

  7. Yeah.. Those video editors you're dreaming about cost a lot of money. Even if they were on Linux I wouldn't be buying them because Shotcut is good enough for me.

  8. Good discussion. But I don't think you can simply unify app managers for example, we are still figuring out the best solution. And since opinions and goals differ we have multiple experiments going. You can't for example do experiments like elementary OS which are trying to make it easier to pay for apps or Ubuntu which is experimenting with Snap packages. You can't because this goes "deeper" than the just the interface. After a while some experiments will fail and one or only a few will win.
    Another great example would be the new installer from System76 and elementary OS. If you want to do something different it's way easier to create a separate project. If it's better more distro's will adopt it.
    It's painful, but necessary to find the best solution. It's a a lot like how the free market works. The best solution (distro) will win out in the end.
    Wouldn't it be interesting to invite multiple distro maintainers and ask them?

    Also, polls? Aren't you afraid you'll mostly get responses from enthusiasts? I think this is one of the reasons why Ubuntu wants to collect some data automatically.

    I'm afraid you're also forgetting another big issue: getting payed for opensource work. More people being able to make a living on development will mean software will improve. I would love seeing you guys discuss making money in opensource.

  9. With hardware like single board computers being cheaper than books. I think we should have plenty of hardware to choose from. Pair that with the number of distros. This could mean hundreds of new Linux computer vendors. This means there will be a lot of jobs, innovation and money for the Linux community.

  10. But Adobe didn't try to compromise and port something for one platform for years. It seems that it's not the problem of huge amount of distributions and package managers. Seems they don't want this market, such as other huge companies do.

  11. Way to Ubuntu oriented. I have not touched UBUNTU in years. I currently dual boot between FEDORA and SUSE Tumbleweed.
    Both are great. With Fedora I use Gnome, with SUSE, I am using KDE. For my use (programming, web, emails, browsing,…) both are flawless. And I have all the software I need

  12. I also think this will become one of the podcasts I will be following very closely. Thank you Swapnil and Jack. I really agree with the proper rolling release suggestion for making Linux approachable for end users. I tried Antergos and SolusOS. My wireless card wouldn't work with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. For me, the most stable rolling release distribution was SolusOS. The only problem was the lack of software. Now I am back to boring-but–practical Ubuntu. I have SolusOS as a backup, but now, Ubuntu is my main Linux distribution because "there's work that's got to be done". I look forward to further development that brings end users to Linux in general and also to TrueOS or GhostBSD. I really like the pragmatic approach to things, not the narrow minded approach. I definitely will follow people like Wendel (Level1 Techs), Swapnil, Jack, Chris (TechSNAP & Linux Unplugged) and Allan (BSD Now). Thank you for your great efforts!

  13. I think you are just inventing a problem and then giving a solution to an invented problem… This "fragmentation" just shows how there are hundreds of people with hundreds of ways of thinking about how they want to try to do things or how they would do things. Those people if deprived from their opportunity to create another software manager, won't necessary join a big project and create GUIs because a bunch of people (a 'committee') said it is needed. They could just as well go to Haiku camp and continue having fun. While people get enjoyment from creating another project after another and while there's enough demand, gratification, and interest they will keep rolling on. And it is perfectly good. The only thing big projects can do is to be more inclusive of new people, giving random challenges and hoping for the best.
    I really think there are much more important things than the market share, Photoshop, and opening documents with hundreds of comments, and for many this is what Linux represents. Desktop Linux is much more than just an open source or free Windows or MacOS, and I hope it will stay like this in a magical state of a strangely stable perpetual chaos and full of unexplored terrae incognitiae waiting just around the corner…

  14. I have to say something. You guys really need to do your homework. First off, Linux is the Kernel, not the OS. GNU is the default OS, but by happenstance, most people use some variant of it, typically Debian when starting out. Ubuntu uses Debian as it's base! Second, Gnome and KDE are Desktop Environments… not Operating Systems. That's like saying Quartz and Aero and Operating Systems. Third, The last point that really bothered me was the "One True Universal Standard". Linux already has computing standards that they already follow, namely the LSB (Linux Standard Base). Creating a single "Public/Desktop/Standard" doesn't work and actually contradicts the GNU/Linux philosophy. The whole point of GNU/Linux means having the freedom to pick apart your system and do what you will with it. Which is why we have so many varied and beautiful options. It's not a weakness; in fact, it's Linux' main strength. It's the reason why the Linux kernel can be found just about anywhere. I'd say, it's the most ubiquitous OS out there and people don't even realize it. This is known as Descentralization. Look it up. 'nuff said. Rant done. Other than that, keep doing your thing. Peace and Love 😉

  15. Swapnil Bhartiya — I have a feeling this is going to become one of my top podcasts. Have you guys considered releasing audio versions of the show as well? It would be great if I could listen on my way to work and I'm sure many people feel the same way.
    Loving the show, you guys have such a good chemistry.
    It's an awesome pairing.
    Cheers

  16. You guys mentioned the need to standardize around one desktop, and I agree.

    The issue is that of the two "major" desktops around, KDE and GNOME, the most popular is GNOME, and GNOME does not make compromises! This "our way or the highway" attitude is what lead to the creation of Elementary OS, Cinnamon, Budgie, and if you go far enough back in time, Mate and XFCE.

    KDE, otoh, is an open and welcoming project with a kick ass community that would have loved to accommodate for Elementary, Cinnamon and Budgie's and even XFCE's vision within a KDE/Qt context, but people just don't seem to care…

    So, this is why we can't have nice things.

  17. Below the GUI, it would be nice if there are defaults working on everywhere. But when we talk about GUI, there can be majorities, not defaults. It's basically traversal to GNU/Linux philosophy. If there are 100 different people who use Linux, there can be 100 different choices about. It's the nature of people. If it's open-source, there is always one person who makes different things against majority. This is how it works in Linux world. You cannot unify different choices, this is not democracy. If i don't want to use desktop environment, i don't use any. If i find a better one for my needs, why would i use the default? I'm completely agree with you about workforce, 10 people always do better things together compare to they do things separately. But even one people wants to do something different, you cannot force it. In short terms, that's practically not quite possible to unify people's tastes and choices. That's why there are tons of distros.

  18. Adobe can easily deliver their software to Linux via Flatpak or Snaps and their software will work on any Linux distribution.
    Convince the developers to port their software or game to Linux and deliver it via Flatpak, Snaps and AppImage and Linux will easily start gaining market share. Developers can keep their software or game proprietary if they want to but OS and drivers must be open source at least.
    Only developers of software and game can cause Linux desktop market share to skyrocket by developing/porting for/to Linux.
    OS market share highly depends on developers of software and game. Lack of apps and games = lack of user base = low market share of any OS.
    Most software and games being available only for Windows is the main reason why Windows market share is almost 90%.
    All developers should always make their software and games cross-platform so users are not forced to use Windows. No favoring Windows over other OSes cuz market share illusion.

  19. It's funny, I disagree with most things you said but I still watched the whole thing lol

    Linux might not be massive, but it's big and I'd even say huge. It's OK for it to be fragmented and to have options, I'd say that's the point even. Not every body wants that, they use Windows and or Mac or whatever. Linux is for us who like to tinker (or mostly so, I had most of my family running on Linux and they rarely needed support). Other than that? Screw Google.

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